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Title: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on December 16, 2007, 02:01:51 AM

quite a large project thread on sxoc and if im honest im too lazy to copy it all across so heres a linky http://sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=289427 :P :P

ive just bought a vems ecu system to control it all so figured id stick the project up here for your thoughts :D

basics are: forged ca with tomei cams to be running a holset hx35 and hopefully seeing 500bhp :D

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on January 03, 2008, 08:51:52 PM

quick update so you all dont think im being mega lazy lol

now paid for the vems which is being dropped off at angelworks for me to pick up when the engine machining is done (hopefully early in new year).

got some solid lifters off my dad for christmas :D:D

and due to realising that my shell is rotten an sxoc member has offered to sell me his :D:D so im gonna go for it :nod: comes with cage, solid subframe bushes and a :cool: flocked dash and a fully functional roof scoop :D

some pics he sent me:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/kleebe/LeeS131.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/kleebe/DSC00044.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/kleebe/DSC00042.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: BenFenner on January 03, 2008, 09:36:09 PM

Anyone who paints their intercooler black (even if they didn't think to use radiator paint) instantly gains my respect. =]

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: BenFenner on January 03, 2008, 09:45:02 PM

Couldn't you find a turbo exhaust housing without the crazy internal wastegate/block-off?

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on January 03, 2008, 11:08:29 PM

why would you use radiator paint? it doesnt get hot :P

the turbo was available with a non wastegated housing but i wasnt being that picky...i was just after a good condition turbo at the right price......may end up with a different housing anyway if this one cracks due to heat....will see how it goes....a non wastegated one will only look a bit prettier/neater.

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: BenFenner on January 04, 2008, 04:54:19 AM

The idea behind the radiator paint has nothing to do with how hot anything gets. Paint is an insulator, and that's a bad thing to have on any heat exchanger for obvious reasons. Radiator paint is designed to transfer heat better than typical paint. That is all.

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on January 04, 2008, 05:50:10 AM

aaah i get you :) i was careful to keep the paint thin, as i knew it would act as an insulator :)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 14, 2008, 02:43:36 AM

project has been slow due to money constraints and clutch issues :(

however there is a big update :D:D copied from sxoc so sorry if some of the text doesnt make much sense ::)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 14, 2008, 02:44:07 AM

right then the shell swap!

started off with my old shell being trailered down to sideways dannys barn/workshop
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010011.jpg)

and then we stripped it down
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010014.jpg)

ooh erm i wasnt doing anything........
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010015.jpg)

my favourite part of the week!
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010017.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010018.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010019.jpg)

kiz enjoying my recaro a little too much
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010021.jpg)

engine had to come out which meant removing the gearbox drain plug for the very first time......turns out itd had a hard life as not only was there all this fur but several large lumps also came out
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010024.jpg)

then engine out so time for ghey pic
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010025.jpg)

then the rest of the front end comes off
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010027.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010028.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 14, 2008, 02:44:48 AM

then we had a little accident.........and also discovered how rusty my shell really was!
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010029.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010030.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010031.jpg)

so anyway after that it was time to get the rear subframe off and grab the bits i needed from it
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010033.jpg)

then hammer time
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010034.jpg)

and the left over pile of bits
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010036.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 14, 2008, 02:45:48 AM

next day was a long drive for me from northampton to norfolk to get the new shell (mucho thanks to lee for helping me bolt everything up!)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010037.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010041.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010042.jpg)

then danny and i had to apply some MAN and drag a half ton shell onto the car trailer so i could take it to the metal recyclers

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010043.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010044.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010048.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010049.jpg)

then the new shell came in to be stripped of looking beautiful for a lot of welding

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010051.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010053.jpg)

taped on wide rear arches
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010054.jpg)

cage propped in for photos sake
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010057.jpg)

then i got busy with an angle grinder so that it was ready for when danny got back to weld

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010058.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010059.jpg)

and welded
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010062.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010067.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 14, 2008, 02:47:15 AM

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 14, 2008, 02:47:47 AM

also started to remove the rear seat supports to allow access for seam welding there, sadly we lost power on the last night of work we had available and as such we didnt get it finished:(

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010084.jpg)

the last saturday of the week was a mega depressing one for me as it was time for the shell to go to the metal recyclers :(

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010077.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010078.jpg)

though it turns out it weighed half a ton so i got Ã,Â£48 for it:D

then on the sunday we had a mad rush to get everything packed up so i could go home:(
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010083.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010085.jpg)

and back home where it is to come back to pieces to have a bit more welding done and the bushes fitted along with some btm arm modifications ;)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/P1010087.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: BenFenner on March 17, 2008, 06:52:56 PM

Jesus, keep that chassis swapping to yourself. I don't want anyone else [DanMartin] to get the same idea.

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 19, 2008, 01:03:51 PM

Quote from: BenFenner on March 17, 2008, 06:52:56 PM
Jesus, keep that chassis swapping to yourself. I don't want anyone else [DanMartin] to get the same idea.

rofl ;D ;D :P

well the whole engine build and box conversion has been held up by the clutch (or lack there of)

my first hopes were to use a dw flywheel with an rps max puck but with the splines changed to the pattern of the toyota gearbox. rps had said this wasnt a problem but then when it came to ordering said it wasnt possible :cry: this put a major halt on the entire build :(

however! its now resolved (fingers crossed and hugging large piece of wood:wack:)

ive ordered a custom flywheel from ttv racing which is costing Ã,Â£210 (cheaper than both the apex one and the dw one i might add ;)) and a twin plate rally spec clutch from super clutch.

the guys at super clutch have been so helpful and have offered loads of advice in emails and countless phone calls ensuring i get the right clutch for the job and for what i want to do. i cant recommend them enough!!! the rally spec clutch has really thick friction material to handle those of us ith less mechanical sympathy and should be a good all rounder for drag and track work :) and if that proves to not be enough then using the same cage i can fit three plates with slightly thinner friction material for not a lot of cost at all :nod: this is actually the same clutch type norris designs runs on their evo so should be more than capable (he runs the triple set up).

pic of the cluch

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/clutch2.jpg)

and a pic of the friction surface
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/clutch3.jpg)

one of the black plates has a spacer machined into it so the way another plate is added is to remove said black plate and replace with a another friction disc and thin spacer plate :nod:

they even sent some super clutch sweets :D
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/clutch1.jpg)

sadly its going to be another week till ttv have my flywheel ready :(:( but after that the whhole bottom end balancing etc can go ahead :D

http://www.superclutch.com/index.htm (http://www.superclutch.com/index.htm)
http://www.ttvracing.com/ (http://www.ttvracing.com/)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: [email protected] on March 19, 2008, 06:49:24 PM

I have heard nothing but good things about TTV, from professional engine builders to blokes making general enquiries.

Super clutch sound like good fellows too, nice looking clutch setup.

Rob

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 20, 2008, 06:37:54 PM

Quote from: [email protected] on March 19, 2008, 06:49:24 PM
I have heard nothing but good things about TTV, from professional engine builders to blokes making general enquiries.

Super clutch sound like good fellows too, nice looking clutch setup.

Rob

super clutch have been awesome :) so helpful its unreal! only killer was that it seems bolts to mount the clutch are extra so ive had to spend another Ã,Â£18 on them.....for Ã,Â£600 worth of clutch youd have thought mounting bolts were included ::)

it was on your recommendation i spoke to ttv :)

and todays progress:

got my flange and clamp through for my waste gate so stripped the old one off the manifold ready to make up the adapter :D

heres a few comparison pics....old one was a hks 40mm and the new one is a hks 60mm :eek:

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/waste3.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/waste2.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on March 21, 2008, 06:55:18 PM

these should cure my rear offset issue :p;)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/20032008116.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on April 07, 2008, 09:36:16 AM

finally got my new front calipers through ;D ;D ;D

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/29032008122.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/29032008120.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/29032008119.jpg)

also got my new plenum at the weekend

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/07042008130.jpg)

and came home to see the last piece of the puzzle waiting for me :D my pics are crap but im mega impressed with ttv's work :D

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/07042008128.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/07042008129.jpg)

and mated with the clutch
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/07042008131.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/07042008133.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on April 09, 2008, 07:44:16 PM

mocked up the engine bay today to start on the downpipe and cooler pipes :D:D looks sweeeeeeeeet!

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/09042008134.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/09042008135.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/09042008137.jpg)

onloy 'issue' i may have is with the radiator top pipe.....thinking about cutting it off and getting a bent one made up :)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/09042008138.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on April 15, 2008, 06:04:41 PM

i hate british weather....april showers my arse, more like april downpour eveytime ben decides to do some car workj :mad::annoyed:

managed to get on with my cold pipe though :cool: just need to clean up the pipes and weld them fully :D

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/15042008154.jpg)

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/15042008155.jpg)

also decided on the colour for my cage and cam covers
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/14042008153.jpg)

and thats not overspray on the door its all reflection :wack:

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on April 23, 2008, 12:52:38 AM

12 hour night shift last night and waiting up for a delivery sucks :cry:

though it did give me some free time to sort out the 3 inch part of my hot pipe ready to go for tig welding this evening :D:D not too shabby for 20 mins work :wack: (the welder is going to clean off burrs etc before welding :))

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/17042008156.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/17042008157.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/17042008158.jpg)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on April 23, 2008, 12:53:14 AM

recieved word from the welder :D

(copied over from other forum)

QuoteRight then, as ive been handed these burr riden things, i will detail my contribution to the superior 200sx.

As i picked them up from Ben's.
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00490.jpg)

Numbered and marked for position as was given strict instructions to NOT MOVE ::).
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00491.jpg)

;D Ben you aint gonna like these as undid all your hard work :D. Enjoyed it tho.
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00492.jpg)

Some serious Burrs, i don't know what you used to cut this but would of said a bread knife,lol. Shall we say it was rather sharp in places.
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00493.jpg)

Burr's again
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00494.jpg)

After a bit of TLC with a grinder & file. Simply used grinder to remove all the rought parts and filed the inside to ensure nice clean and burr free points of contact during welding.

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00495.jpg)

All done well one anyway
(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00496.jpg)

Up to date for the information of Ben and the rest of ya common folk, sorted them both out and their ready to be welded, just waiting for a regulator adapter so i can gas the inside of the pipe whilst welding to weld both sides. Gonna crack on during the week Ben so if you have any issues on time etc, etc drop us a PM or tx.

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: jrtuning_ben on April 23, 2008, 12:53:51 AM

QuoteMore updates ;D.

Ahhhh, just what i needed :D, splitter for the Argon to be purged into the pipework.

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00512.jpg)

This is the second one as thought i would start with the hardest first. All parts have been de-burr'd and de-tacked.

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00513.jpg)

Another shot to highlight the smoothness of them after some grinding and fileing.

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00514.jpg)

Tacked it all back together with TIG (a tad neater that stick or MIG, ay ben,lol.) Dint take any picks of it been tacked as boring but, waahhhooo, the first weld :o

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00518.jpg)

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00522.jpg)

Although an absolute pig to position when trying to get a steady and comfortable welding stance, pretty happy with the results. Purgeing was a problem tho as couldn't make the pipe stay still :(.

Only laid down one full weld and decided to stop due to this;

(http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u230/sxistevo/DSC00519.jpg)

Not sure how clear the pic is but there is a build up of 'slag' on the inner ??

Right Ben, with this been an important component i want and im sure you want this to be right. Would be better if i grinded the tacks off again and welded each piece individually as then i can get a drill attachment to grind the inner 'slag' (<< Engineer talk,lol) off. Was told purgeing would not cause this, so im in two mind what to do.

What do you sugest bud??

Carry on and you sort the inner bit's out or do what i said and do each peice individually ???

hes a good lad, i went to college with him and he ended up doing exactly what i wanted to do :cry::rolleyes: we decided to weld them up in stages and grind the weld where its penetrated back so theres no interruption to air flow :)

Title: Re: another s13
Post by: Denmark on April 23, 2008, 08:55:23 AM

Quote from: jrtuning_ben on March 20, 2008, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: [email protected] on March 19, 2008, 06:49:24 PM
I have heard nothing but good things about TTV, from professional engine builders to blokes making general enquiries.

Super clutch sound like good fellows too, nice looking clutch setup.

Rob

super clutch have been awesome :) so helpful its unreal! only killer was that it seems bolts to mount the clutch are extra so ive had to spend another Ã,Â£18 on them.....for Ã,Â£600 worth of clutch youd have thought mounting bolts were included ::)

it was on your recommendation i spoke to ttv :)

and todays progress:

got my flange and clamp through for my waste gate so stripped the old one off the manifold ready to make up the adapter :D

heres a few comparison pics....old one was a hks 40mm and the new one is a hks 60mm :eek:

(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/waste3.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o76/jrtuning_ben/waste2.jpg)

ThatÃ,Â´s acutlly pretty cheap for a twinplate clutch,

I could use one of thoose twin clutches for a Impreza

And your project is looking great :)

/Skassa

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